A formerly anon blogger, trying to make it honest
So, I went out with a new guy tonight (what to call him, hmm….). The one I was a bit apprehensive about.
All was well. A good time was had. He was nice, conversation was fine, and (if I didn’t mention before) he’s tall and good looking (score). A bit on the quiet side, but maybe he was just nervous. Nothing too bad or red-flag about him at all.
Except for this one small thing. Actually, two.
ONE: He didn’t pay. He didn’t even offer.
OK, OK…before everyone goes jumping down my throat, I am NOT one of those girls who expects a guy to pay EVERY time. I didn’t mind paying, and it’s not a fake offer (as I obviously did dish it up and came prepared to do so). But, I do think that the guy should at least offer. Which he didn’t. And, this was clearly a date, it wasn’t a gray area “non-date” situation.
There was never a tragic “let’s go dutch” conversation. He never asked me to pay. And he never offered to pay.
Here’s the scene: the bill comes, and it is placed between us. We both sit there and then he says something like “what did it come to?” – so I pick it up (first) and look at it and tell him the total ($24). I then pull out $20 and I have it in my hand. He says, “do you have any smaller bills?” I say no and he says I can get change. He puts the meal on his card and I get change from the waitress. I hand him $10.
We then walk to my car (he asks if I want him to, I say sure and offer to drive him to his if he walks me to mine, fair deal). When we get to his car, he says, “well, it’s still early, is there anything else to do around here? I mean, do you want to do something else?” I tell him there is a billiard down the street, so we head there. Finding no parking, we park elsewhere and end up going to a movie. We went to see Cache (Hidden) and again, we each pay our own way. No offer was made. I walk up to the counter and get my own ticket, and he gets his after me.
After the movie, I drive him back to his car and then he leans in for the kiss (see number two). We part ways saying we’ll talk soon and hang out again and it was fun and all that jazz.

To me, he should have offered to pick up the check, I would say “no, it’s OK,” and then either he would insist and say, “no, I’ll pay” and I would concede; or he could have said at that point said “OK, we’ll split it.” That’s fine, perfectly acceptable. But the gentlemanly offer should have been there.
It could have been a variety of things. Maybe he was one of those guys so put off by spending money on girls to get nothing in return, that he didn’t want to waste his money on me without knowing if he would ever see me again or whatnot. Maybe he couldn’t afford it – which I of course understand given my own money issues. Maybe he thought, “hey cool, she’s paying!” Who knows.
What do you think?
TWO: He’s a bad kisser.
OK, this can be worked with. I’ve dealt with it before. He was just a little bit too aggressive and a little bit too “let me shove my tongue down your throat.” Whoa there. I was a bit put off.
Then again, I’ve slept with guys before who had that problem and ended up being good (and fun) in bed.
I guess it’s just disappointing to have the first kiss be kind of eh. And, in the car. Sigh.
CONCLUSION: He gets a second date. Then we go from there.
Notes for both situations (before you comment):
1. He’s 26.
2. He just got out of a 6 month relationship.
3. This was clearly a date.
4. The entire date (dinner and movie) was under $50. $24 for dinner and $18 for movie tickets.
5. He got my number. He asked me out. He asked me to continue the date after dinner. He kissed me at the end of the night. He told me he wanted to see me again. All initiated by him.
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If there’s anything I’ve learned from dating…it’s that all of the shit that causes a relationship to crash and burn is always apparent from the beginning…this guy has some potential issues.
1) HE got your number + HE asked you out = HE should have at least offered to pay
2) eh, kissing can be worked on
3) hmm…anon may have a point
I don’t know A.M., this guy gives me bad vibes. Its not that he didn’t pay, its that he didn’t offer to pay, and he should have stepped and payed on the first date. I just believe in being reciprocal about s**t. Me then you, then back to me..you know the routine. But its your call, I’m gonna keep a eye on this dastardly bastard.
Hmmm…even my guy friends often offer to pay. I was told “it’s a man thing.” I agree with you, it’s not that the guy always has to be shelling out cash, but the offer should at least be made. I’d give him another try, but cautiously.
If he asks you out he should pay!!!
If he asks you out, he should pay. He has issues.
I think it’s agreed that women today (most, that is) don’t take it for granted that the man should pay. HOWEVER, I think there is almost a universal consensus that the offer should be made.
If he had paid for dinner, it would have then been logical later for you to say, “Oh…you got dinner. Let me get the movie tickets.” I think I have to agree with Anonymous that there could be some issues in place that could present a problem later. Depends on how cemented in and wedded he is to them. This could merely be a glitch brought on by an ex who always expected him to pay. Somehow, though, instinct tells me he’s slow on the wallet…again..due to his not even offering.
Agreed with everyone on the kissing thing. That can be worked on. It’s the not offering thing that sits there like a problematic lump, isn’t it?
what a pimp… he didnt offer to pay and you still want to go out with him.
he should have offered to pay. chivalry is fuckin dead i tell you. that was one thing i first noticed about MK. even before we were officially dating and in a sexual relationship he paid for everything and he knew when to back off and let me pay sometimes.
i might get flamed for saying this but don’t give him any nookie until he pays for a nice dinner.
The meal was like $20? One of you should have just paid. Paying with a credit card and exchanging cash on date like that is tacky.
If you would have just paid he could have then picked up the movie. And if he didn’t….you would have known he’s cheap and to dump his a**, only having lost $20 and not having to go on a second date.
I knew the not paying thing wouldn’t go over well with the readers. I think it boils down to this – if you like him, then give him one more chance, but only one.
It’s hard for me to really put this into perspective because dating in your 20′s is different than in your 30′s. And since I was in a relatinship most of my 20′s…
Agree with first anon and have said this in my own blog – people tell you who they are right from the beginning.
Peace out he shouldn’t get a second. LAME
he didnt offer to pay and actaully took the money you gave him for the dinner? no, way! this guy is either really cheap or just plain dumb. Call me old fashioned but the guy should always pay on the first date especially if he’s the one that asked you out.
D’oh! Gem’s comment just reminded me of the golden rule of bartending. Give as much change in coins as you can. Most people won’t be so cheap to pick up each coin off the bar, they just leave them. It’s an offshoot of what he did – most guys wouldn’t take the money. Except this one.
I still say give him another chance.
Maybe he’s just a little broke right now and apprehensive about spending?
NOT GOOD!
first couple of times you met someone your are alwasy putting up the best front you can.
it is only going get worse.
Plus the whole “I don’t need to pay” probably helped his cause with you.
It threw you off guard, gave you the vibe that he wasn’t trying to impress you — which is what women fall for
I’m with Velvet on this one…give him another chance. If he asks you out again and then doesn’t pay, then be done with him and move on.
I am all for taking turns to pay for dates (it shouldn’t always be on the guy…even if he does ask), however, one should ALWAYS offer.
As for the kissing thing, well, I guess that could be worked on if he is open enough to take direction.
Proceed with caution with this guy.
Yes the offer should have been made but he definitely deserves a second date. Perhaps he wanted to see your reaction when the offer wasn’t made. You know, some guys test you like that – Try to figure out who you are indirectly.
But you passed b/c you definitely aren’t the “gold digger” type.
Absolutely he should have at the very least offered to pay. If I ask a girl out, I go in there fully expecting to pay. I operate by “The Rule of Two Insistances®”:
I offer (to pay, in this case) and if she says no, I may insist no more than twice before ceding.
But at the very least I offer. He should have done the same.
the dude is totally classless.
could you see your dad pulling some stunt when he took your mom out?
no
OK – Call me crazy, but I don’t think this is an issue at all! Roomie has a good point, maybe he was just checking your reaction. For me, I am perfectly comfortable splitting the first date. And, I’m comfortable with him making the assumption that we will. If they really put up a fight when I try to pay my way, fine, but I’d actually prefer it if they didn’t. After you’ve established that there will be subsequent dates, it’s cool to take turns paying. I don’t think this means he’s necessarily cheap or didn’t like you. Maybe he’s a feminist and didn’t want to offend.
N.E.X.T.! No second date. No way.
why the hell should he pay for your ass ? Maybe hes been fucked over by gold digging skanks and isnt into paying the tab anymore. And there is a hell of a lot of bitches out there who will cheerfully vamp your wallet dry if you let them. Maybe youre not like that but too many are. It pisses people off and the next girl in line ends up eating it. Pay your own bills. This is 2006 not 1950
I think you’re making a too big of a deal out of it.
Unless I’m reading it wrong, you pulled a 20, he intended to go halfzies and saw that it would be impossible since the smallest bill you had was a 20. So he suggested that you get change and he would put the whole tab on his card and then get 10 from you.
The man still paid 14 bucks for the meal compared to your 10.
The man could have been nervous and it didn’t occur to him to say he wanted to go dutch.
Or did he just pay for his half and then you gave him 10, which would mean you pretty much did pay for the whole meal?
I agree that he should have at least made the offer to pay. Especially if he got your number and he asked you out. Kissing can be worked on, but you don’t want to date a guy who’s cheap right from the beginning.
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